Celtic music lovers: does anyone know if Donald McGillavry was a real person?

April 112010

Silly Wizard recorded a wonderful song called Donald McGillavry, apparently a traditional Jacobite song about a bard/hero who traveled around causing trouble. I found two distinct sets of lyrics, but both tell essentially the same story. Both sets of lyrics are available at http://lyricsplayground.com/alpha/songs/d/donaldmcgillavry.shtml. I was wondering if he was based on a real person or just a fictional folk hero.

It seems that Donald Macgillavry is not an actual traditional Jacobite song, but was written by James Hogg and included in his 1819 work ‘Jacobite Relics of Scotland’, without initial acknowledgement of its inauthenticity!

Additionally, it does not seem that he wrote the song based on any real historical figure.

Here’s some excerpts from the information I found; see the links for more!

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[1980:] In 1819, a victim of ‘Tartan Fever’, Hogg published his collected ‘Jacobite Relics of Scotland’ [...]. The work was universally condemned by the Whig periodicals although one poem which Hogg inserted of his own, Donald MacGillavry was commended, affording him some amusement. (Liz Taumann, notes The McCalmans, ‘The Ettrick Shepherd’)

[1988:] It is well known [...] that [James Hogg] passed off his own Donald Macgillavry as a relic of outstanding merit and undoubted authenticity [...]. Donald Macgillavry was published in the first series of the ‘Relics’ with a highly appreciative note. ‘This’, proclaimed Hogg, ‘is one of the best songs that ever was made…a capital old song, and very popular’. He then proceeded upon an inquiry, as solemn as it was specious, into the historical background, unearthing several apparently genuine Macgillavrys – John M’Gillavry, executed at Preston in 1716, a Colonel M’Gillavry of the MacIntosh regiment in the ’45 – suggesting that ‘a bard connected with that associated clan may have written it’. But the note is designed to do more than put a gloss of authenticity upon the song. Its delightful wrong-headedness seems intended (as do various of the other notes in the ‘Relics’) as a skit on the unsmiling pedantry apt then as now to afflict popular-song studies. Its author was, after all, one of the most masterly parodists in the country:

"The Clan-Macgillavry is only a subordinate one, so that the name seems taken to represent the whole of the Scottish clans by a comical patronymic, that could not give offence to anyone, nor yet render any clan particularly obnoxious to the other party, by the song being sung in mixed assemblies. It may, however, have been written in allusion to that particular clan, small as it was, as we see Macgillavry of Drumglass mentioned in some copies of the Chevalier’s Muster-Roll."

”After all’, said this avowal, ‘between ourselves, Donald M’Gillavry, which he has selected as the best specimen of the true old Jacobite song, and as remarkably above his fellows for ‘sly, characteristic Scotch humour’, is no other than a trifle of my own, which I put in to fill up a page.’"

http://www.mysongbook.de/msb/songs/d/donald.html

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Also, see this link for info about the MacGillivray Clan
(But note, at the end, that they do not realize that James Hogg wrote the song himself!)

Crest Badge: A cat sejant, proper. (See above)
Motto: Touch not the cat bot a glove. (Touch not the cat without a glove).
Gaelic Name: MacGhille-brath
Origin of Name: Gillie Bhrath (son of the servant of judgment).
Plant Badge: Boxwood, Red Whortleberry
War Cry: Dunmaglas

The MacGillivrays took a prominent part in the Jacobite Risings of 1715 and 1745, and at Culloden, Alexander, chief of the clan, led the Clan Chattan regiment which almost wiped out the left wing of the Hanoverian army. The burial place of the MacGillivrays of Dunmaglass is in Dunlichity churchyard.

James Hogg in his ‘Jacobite Relics’, places this song as belonging to one of the Jacobite risings, either in 1715 or 1745. MacGillavry of Drumglass is
one of the chiefs mentioned in the Chevalier’s Muster Roll of 1715, and in the Forty-Five rebellion the powerful clan Maclntosh as led by a Colonel
MacGillavry. A bard belonging to this clan may well have written the song; on the other hand, the name might have been used as a convenient
designation for loyal highlanders.

http://rootie.geeknet.com/mac2.html

Celtic music stirs a deep desire in me to frolic about on sunny fields of clovers…how about you?

March 12010

Celtic music stirs a deep desire in me to frolic about on sunny fields of clovers, sleep under the constellations and marvel at the beauty of God’s creation..
Does it do the same for you?
What else does it make you want to to do?

i would rather shave my head.

Where can i find Irish/Celtic/scottish violin/fiddle music?

February 32010

Im looking for irish/celtic/scottish music to play on my violin, fiddle music is fine as well. But heres the catch, i need to be able to download it and open it in Finale Notepad. Also if you would happen to be familiar with the Aa! Megami-sama anime i was hoping i might find a song or two like the opening songs.

o neills book of irish music .has over a thousand tunes.

Does anyone know the stereotypical Celtic music target audience (age, gender)?

January 172010

For media I have to design a music magazine, and I’ve chosen Celtic music as my genre. I need to design it for a specific audience but I’m not sure what it is.

Well my BF is a Scottish musician who has been in several Celtic bands, specifically traditional Irish and Scottish music, with some other Celtic nations stuff thrown in… NOT the new Loreena McKennit or Enya type or newagey stuff, or the Clancy Brothers drinking song type stuff either. From i see of the audiences they are greyhaired over 40, even over 50, old folkies, with some younger Ren Fair types thrown in. There are younger musicians from Canada and Ireland that are into it though, too. But generally, it looks like an older group, from what I’ve observed.

does anyone know where i can find Celtic Sheet music for Ocarina? i have a 12 hole tenor ocarina.?

December 232009

I am looking for a site that has celtic and/or irish music for ocarina. Any locations

Well,the easiest way is using yahoo search

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGk7o.UwZL8CMAeb5XNyoA?p=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.mp3-music-download-sites.com%2F++free+music+download&fr2=sb-top&fr=yfp-t-830&sao=0

you can find anything you want
or you can also find your music from some special music sites

http://www.mp3-music-download-sites.com/

http://www.squidoo.com/Free-Ipod-Music-Download

good luck and enjoy your music

what college in the U.S. has really good celtic studies and music?

December 152009

Is there any school that has a rich celtic/Irish culture in the town where it’s located. Also, does it have a strong music program?

Elms College: Irish Studies Minor: http://www.elms.edu/academics/undergraduate/hfa_irish.htm
Harvard: Harvard College Irish-American Society: http://www.college.harvard.edu/student/organizations/orgdetail?id=652 (also has a good music program)
BC: Center for Irish Programs: http://www.bc.edu/centers/irish/
(And Boston has a LOT of Irish people)

can somebody recommend me folkloristic Celtic music ?

November 292009

i would like to know some new Celtic,scottish,irish music,with typical instrumment you know?
can somebody recommend someone?

I don’t know if this is exactly what you’re looking for but for what it’s worth, I think Damh the Bard is great.

Also check out The Thistle and Shamrock site thistleradio.com
This a really great show on NPR.

Why am i so attached to celtic music soo much?

November 222009

For some reason when i hear Celtic/Irish slow music like clannad, etc, something deep in my blood and soul stirs..i dont know why. I’m from Detroit, MI USA lol… I feel like im part of the music or something. I never knew i loved this music so much. Why could this be?

I’m of Irish descent, so I understand the feeling. I’ve been fortunate enough to attend many reenactment events, hearing music performed on traditional instruments, which makes it even better than most professionals. It’s not necessarily being part Irish, I suppose, since my friend, who is a mixture of Swiss, German and other nationalities is strongly drawn to the music, which I introduced her to. She had been surrounded by polkas and other ethnic music but never Irish/Celtic/traditional.

However, for me it’s not only the slow music but also the jigs and reels. All of it has a hold on me, and I have the CD and tape collection to prove it, as well as a library of music books. I play the bowed psaltery, and those melodies are among my favorites.

I think the majority of people respond to it, some more strongly than others. Riverdance and Lord of the Dance certainly spread the sound though sometimes it’s modernized. But, Clannad definitely has brought fans over.

Where did the celtic women study music?

November 142009

I’d really like to know like what conservatory or school they went to to learn how to use their voices so beautifully and clearly.

i don’t remeber exatly but i heard they studied music at some university in Dublin Ireland

Why does some Celtic music and art strongly resemble that of Tatar and other Turkic peoples?

November 112009


I have heared quite a lot of Turkic music but I never noticed similitarities between Celtic music. Which artists do you think sound similar?